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This week on Lever Time, David spoke with Cory Doctorow — the journalist, novelist, and activist who coined the term “enshittification” — who explained why our online spaces are awful now. You can listen to that episode here.

In this special bonus episode, we’re sharing the rest of their conversation. Doctorow goes deeper into how companies like Facebook or Microsoft imprison their users and he explains how Donald Trump is using tech companies as weapons in his trade war. Doctorow also offers a few simple solutions to stop our world from going to shit.

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